An FAQ on the current ISA/Fire situation

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In order to address some of the inaccuracies and misconceptions related to the current situation between Fire fans (as represented by the Section 8 Chicago ISA) and the Chicago Fire Soccer Club (as well as their contracted representatives, Toyota Park and Monterrey Security), we have prepared this FAQ -- a set of the most frequent questions recieved and their answers.

The ISA wishes to remain as transparent and clear in their representation as possible, in order to foster its maximum effectiveness in reaching a satisfactory conclusion.

 

*** PLEASE CHECK BACK REGULARLY AS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WILL BE UPDATED ***

 

What exactly happened to Sector Latino on August 2nd against Chivas?


Why do you want Monterrey Security removed from Toyota Park?

  • We should be clear that there was never a demand for Monterrey to be removed from Toyota Park. Our request was for a new security plan for the supporters' area that does not involve any interaction with Monterrey personnel, to maximise the safety of all fans.
  • Over the years, there has been numerous reports of inappropriate and abusive behaviour towards fans by Monterrey Security across the stadium. Many meetings with Monterrey and promises of change have led to nothing but regression in their behavior.

Did you ask the Fire to publicly acknowledge they are racist?
  • No. On Monday, we asked that for our meeting on Wednesday, the Fire acknowledge the inappropriate incidents that had been directed towards Sector Latino, so that we could agree on the basis of the problem and work towards a mutually agreeable solution. At no time did the ISA request the Fire call a press conference or issue a press release admitting to racism.
  • Ultimately it is the Fire ownership's responsibility to ensure that all representatives of the club, including security personnel, are there to protect all patrons from abuse whether physical or verbal.

When were the Chicago Fire front office first informed of the complaints of racial abuse?
  • Members of Section 8 contacted representatives within 48 hours of the Chivas game on Saturday, August 2. Section 8 Chicago then held a public meeting to discuss the incidents on Wednesday, August 6.

What was the Chicago Fire's response once they had heard the details in the Monday, August 11 meeting?
  • The Fire promised to return on Wednesday with a response. Their response to Section 8's written concerns did not address the complaints of racial abuse, but instead focused on ticketing issues and to state unequivocally that Monterrey will remain.
  • The Fire also issued a list of new rules, both stadiumwide and for Section 8, restricting musical instruments, banner size, banning flagpoles, and reneging on the preseason agreement that section 117 would be a General Admission/Standing Room supporters' area. As these issues were not raised prior to Wednesday's meeting, it appears to be a punitive measure in response to our concerns, effectively diminishing the section's ability to continue its traditional celebration.
  • When pressed, the Fire again refused to acknowledge any inappropriate activity took place on Aug. 2nd, making further discussion at that time fruitless.

Why did you refuse to meet with Monterrey head Juan Gaytan on Wednesday?
  • We have not stated that we would never meet with Monterrey Security. As the issues we wished to discuss were with the Chicago Fire on an organizational level, we dealt directly with them in initial meetings. We objected to meeting with Juan Gaytan when he showed up unannounced at Toyota Park for a meeting we had scheduled with the Chicago Fire on Wednesday, Aug. 13th. There remains a possibility of a meeting with Monterrey at some point in the future under pre-arranged circumstances with an agenda for discussion. We do not wish to be hijacked into a meeting with Gaytan on zero notice, and this does not affect our requests to have them removed from direct oversight in the supporters area of the stadium.

Isn't it unreasonable to ask the Fire to have Monterrey removed from the stadium?
  • Andell Holdings manages Toyota Park and is the owner of the Chicago Fire, the biggest and most important tenant of the stadium. As such we are approaching Andell Holdings with a solution to the problems. Both D.C. United and the New York Red Bulls have implemented similar alternative security plans and we believe it is a reasonable and appropriate request.
  • It should be clear there was never a demand for Monterrey to be removed outright. Our request was a new security plan for the supporters' area that limits any interaction with Monterrey personnel to maximise the safety of all fans.

Why don't you consider a compromise, such as an alternate security arrangement for Section 8?
  • We have offered several. In the Monday meeting we suggested two comparable arrangements, already used in MLS, where supporters' groups have had issues with abusive security and have had it resolved by security being moved away from their sections, but still remaining in the stadium at large.

Were Sector Latino drunk like Blanco claimed?
  • It is our understanding that Blanco was not in the stadium for the game on August 2. Prior to that game, Blanco had never interacted with any members of Sector Latino before or after a game. He could not have known whether or not SL were drunk.
  • The claim is completely unfounded as noted in the Tribune article. To the contrary, other supporters in the section can confirm that SL were not drunk.
  • Although it's not true, the claim is irrelevant as drunkenness would not be an excuse for racial abuse of patrons at Toyota Park under any circumstances.
  • It is worth noting that Blanco's translator and personal bodyguard is Juan Gaytan - President and Owner of Monterrey Security.

Why did you contact the media?
  • We did not contact the media ourselves. We were contacted by the Tribune regarding an article they were already writing. In the interests of accurately representing our position in the matter, we felt it necessary to respond to their inquests.

What is your initial protest going to be?
  • We plan to stay silent and seated through the first half. This was an extremely difficult decision, as we are obviously always the most vocally supportive area of the stadium and the match is such an important one -- but we felt this would draw attention to the situation. There will also be a banner used addressing the situation.
What if nothing changes?
  • We will allow the club time to react and open dialogue after Saturday, Aug. 16th. If no movement occurs before the next home match, we will continue with an escalating series of protest actions.

 


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Darryl
August 16, 2008

Thanks for both taking leadership on this issue and for being transparent with each of us.

Monterrey Employee
August 17, 2008

Yesterday's protest made the Chicago Tribune's account of the game, but not as many of you would have hoped for:

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A crowd of 19,742 was on hand, although the atmosphere hardly reflected the attendance in the first half. The Fire's notoriously raucous supporters group, Section 8, was relatively quiet in the first 45 minutes. The silence was part of a protest against Monterrey Security, which Section 8 is accusing of racist behavior toward Hispanic fans.

As had been predetermined, Section 8 spent the second half standing and cheering as it usually does.

"The fans are [garbage]," said an annoyed Blanco, who blames fans for friction with security. "They get drunk and become insulting. It's the same way in Mexico. I don't think security has anything to do with it."

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-17-fire-chicagoaug17,0,6555911.story

The Sun Times didn't mention anything.

I know many of you will brush off Blanco's comment and cite his relationship with Gaytan (as reference above in the FAQ), but Blanco's words will resonate far louder than any of yours. He will be seen as impartial to the average fan.

I'm trying to be impartial here, too. Remember, I'm posting anonymously. Several of my prior comments should prove that.

What I'm going to be interested in following these upcoming weeks are these "escalating series of protest actions" promised in the final point. I really have no competing interests at hand, since I'm certain my job is guaranteed whether or not your demands are met.

Keep us updated on the negotations. Just don't be shocked if Toyota Park officials continue to dismiss your demands as outlandish -- particularly involving the removal of Monterrey Security from Section 8. Hell, even replacing certain members with those more capable of interating with fans.




Chicago Fire Employee
August 17, 2008

(Repeating the comment in the other thread only because it may be here that the conversation will continue...)

I suppose I'll join the anonymous employees commenting here.

"My advice is not to act like you're a legitimate organization by attempting to impose "non negotiable" terms. Everyone at Monterrey is probably laughing at this."

I think you're on with some of your other comments, but I'm interested in what you mean by this. What exactly about a Illinois state-registered nonprofit, with an elected representative Board of Directors, transacting business on three continents, who meets and negotiates regularly with both the Chicago Fire and Toyota Park and has built relationships with their sponsors, is not legitimate?

Monterrey can laugh all they want, and people in my organization can dismiss their claims - but they are certainly are legitimate and organized.

Krasny
August 17, 2008

"Blanco's words will resonate far louder than any of yours. He will be seen as impartial to the average fan"

Maybe that's right -- but how does being "drunk" mean racial insults are okay? That is going to be pretty transparent

Zapata
August 17, 2008

"The fans are [garbage]," said an annoyed Blanco, who blames fans for friction with security. "They get drunk and become insulting. It's the same way in Mexico. I don't think security has anything to do with it."

Blanco, when I thought you couldn't put your foot in your mouth anymore you go ahead and prove me wrong once again.

Our way of supporting the Fire would be comparable to a group of little girls at a kickball game if we traveled to Veracruz for the friendly. Those guys know how to party. I wonder how he knows we are drunk all the time? I wonder if that's the reason he hasn't got a point in play since June 7th.... He is not paying attention on the field. I always wondered why he was in Section 8 with a breathalyzer.

Of course security isn't to blame, Your bodyguard told you so...which by the way owns the security company. Blanco you will find out that you have crossed a very serious line. Chicago fans have been known to be passionate about our sports. You are going to find out the hard way that calling us garbage will tarnish your image forever in this city and beyond.

Enjoy the remaining time left on your contract. Retire back in Mexico

You do not deserve to wear that badge over your heart.

Jesse(S*L)
August 17, 2008

"Of course security isn't to blame, Your bodyguard told you so...which by the way owns the security company. Blanco you will find out that you have crossed a very serious line. Chicago fans have been known to be passionate about our sports. You are going to find out the hard way that calling us garbage will tarnish your image forever in this city and beyond.

Enjoy the remaining time left on your contract. Retire back in Mexico

You do not deserve to wear that badge over your heart."


WELL PUT MY MAN, WELL PUT...

Mandi
August 17, 2008

My husband and I were not at the game last night because of an illness in the family. I read Blanco's quote in the Tribune was offensive. If I wasn't a supporter of Section 8 before know that I am now.

Disgusted,

Mandi

Adam
August 18, 2008

I was at the D.C. game, sitting in section 115. I saw the Sector Latino banners go up, but security had taken them away before I saw what they said. What ended up going on the banners?

Ben
August 18, 2008

Fire - Stop The Racism
Fire - Paren El Racismo

Steph
August 18, 2008

Can anyone give us an update on how things stand currently. I just read Blanco's statement in yesterday's paper and I am disgusted by his statements regarding Chicago Fire fans and disappointed that the management has not distanced themselves from what he said.

OutsidePerspective
August 19, 2008

I agree an update would be nice. Reading the S8 message boards, seems like a lot want to protest more than they want to fix things. There's more talk about these "escalating actions" than there is about possible solutions.

Ben
August 19, 2008

The message boards are a mess so we'll try and keep you posted here. As for the next steps, if we can coordinate it we might have another public meeting this Thursday, before the LA/Fire game. A Q&A session to get everyone up to speed and discuss the next steps.

It's tentative until we can make sure the back room is free and we'll be prepared enough in the next two days for a public session. The timing works with a 9PM CST game.

Ben
August 19, 2008

"It's tentative until we can make sure the back room is free..."

Back room of the Globe.

giaco
August 19, 2008

I can only speak for myself on this, so no one should extrapolate this comment further (for better or worse).

I know that I have/had gotten too emotionally invested in this incident and that not all of my immediate reactions are or were sound. Seldom are knee-jerk reactions correct. And what I can say is that the comments on the webboard are from a great deal of people who are also so emotionally invested in the club, team, and outcome of this situation, that many of them are still expressing themselves in ways that may not be productive. It is also important to keep in mind that of the many people that occupy Section 8, only an actual small percentage are active on the webboard. That being said,it should also be duly noted that those on the board are not those leading the delegation in reaching an amicable solution (myself included), and their comments can only be taken as an extended knee-jerk reaction, or simply people just venting their frustrations at the state of affairs.

I do agree that we need to find/reach a solution that is amicable for all involved, and my trust is in the leadership of the ISA and SL to represent our needs and requests. I would honestly recommend to anyone who is still grinding their axes to just hold up and give the FO and our leadership the time they need to hammer something out and provide us with further information, as nothing will be productive until then. From an organizational standpoint, this issue is being delt with in a fairly timely fashion. Although I know not as fast as some would prefer (again, including myself).

Here's to hoping this can be resolved properly and with respect to all involved.

OutsidePerspective
August 19, 2008

Thanks to both Ben and giaco for responding. And yes, I figured giaco's explanation re: emotion was what I was reading. Trust me, it didn't go unnoticed that Ben (who I understand to be instrumental in communicating with the FO) was not the one making the types of posts I was referring to, so its nice to know the people in charge are keeping a cool head in all of this. Thanks for that, and I hope things get resolved soon. Please keep us non-S8er's updated.

Joe Fan
August 19, 2008

I hated Blanco before he was Fire, was willing to give him a break, but he can suck a fat one now. His true colors were shown during his matches vs. USMNT, and they came back once again in backing his buddy with the Gay Tan over the ones who put bread on his table.

EL Tiger
August 20, 2008

MS employee, your rigth Blancos comment will be louder than his fans. When loyal diehard fans say they are feeling discriminated against because they are Latino, and his response is thier drunk. What does that say. He sides with the official story, oh how far he has come from the slums. I know he is now a millionaire and he no longer sees himself as one of the oppressed, I wonder when he was coming up and he was mistreated by people what he would do. Blanco has just again shown himself to be ignorant. Now even if he doesn't believe that MS was racist, the fact that people felt they were that doesn't mean anything?? See ya Blanco...

Season Ticket Holder
August 20, 2008

I am very happy to read this FAQ clarifying what Section 8 is asking for as wll as the apparent willingness of the Fire to discuss. It is certainly a more moderate and reasonable expression of concerns and 'wants' of Section 8's members than when I was reading about this last week. Perhaps it is some of the emotion coming out of the issue or just a clearer communication of what has been going on all along.

I missed Section 8's participation on Saturday night and hope it returns promptly. Especially, in light of WHO will be coming to Toyota Park the next time the Fire are at home. It is an evening that all of us have been looking forward to since the scehdule was released. Hopefully, a compromise can be brokered in the short-term.

Blanco's comments are no different than the rhetoric espoused by a certain portion fo Section 8 when describing Monterrey. Attacking the coolective for the actions of the lowest indiviual. Cetainly few among us are innocent on the front of being overly intoxicated at sporting events and behaving poorly and I'm certain few security personnel are innocent of acting with too heavy a hand on ceratin occasions. Even though drunkenness does not excuse racism it does contribute to the attitudes and opinions of all involved. I am far more disappointed in Blanco's recent form than this one particular comment.

Good luck to those attempting to broker a solution so we can all get back to the task at hand of cheering on the Fire to another Championship!!

EL Tiger
August 21, 2008

Season Ticket Holder... Alot of good points, only issue is there is no reason for racist comments or behavior, also this behavior has been ongoing not just one night...

MARCO S*L Member
August 23, 2008

i seen the comments that worthless cry baby Blanco in the Newspaper. i speack on behalf of myself cuz i am a SEKTOR LATINO member and i say it proudly and i wear my colors proudly. But for Temo to say we are "garbage" and "drunk" and he doesnt see any misconduct that Monterrey "Security" aka Rent A Cops than that would make him a bigger sell out to his own race. Lets face it Temo wasnt sh*t in Mexico and he DEFINATELY isnt sh*t now. MS had no right to take it to the extent they did, especially to cross the line into racial slurs. it was uncalled for and inappropriate ESPECIALLY when they are atleast twice our(S*L) age. We made our point at the DC game and we made ourselves present when SEKTOR LATINO/us started our chants and to those who stood behind us we owe much respect and we will not go quietly. as i seen it in a blog

In this torrent of ambiguity, one thing is for certain: I AM Fire ‘Til I Die. And that fact will never change. If they want to take my club, they’re going to have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

AND AGAIN THIS NEXT COMMENT I SAY CUZ THIS IS WHAT I FEEL----WE ARE SEKTOR LATINO AND NOTHIN AND NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE CANT EVER CHANGE THAT

keane16
August 24, 2008

Trying to play the devils advocate here, But, I was never a big Blanco fan but thats not my point. Everybody around me was worshipping his feet when he came here. Articles were written about how much of a god guy he was going in the back of resturants signing autographs for workers etc.etc. But he is stuck in a rock and a hard place. His body guard and most likey good friend works for montery security, and his supporters tell him to denounce them. Racism is a horrible thing and should never be tolerated but on the other hand, did u really expect Blanco to openly denounce a major part of the Chicago Fire? Granted I do hope that this is the only incident, and those parties who are involved should be carried out with the proper punishment. But i find it sad that everybody really turned on Blanco.

EL Tiger
August 25, 2008

There is a great article about this stuff at http://www.fightbacknews.org/2...racism.htm

juan gutierrez
September 06, 2008

I was there on that game, when the fans for the sector latino were being asked to move to give the kids the seats they had, one drunk guy came by me, and just took the mask I had on, i felt threatened and had to leave the stadium so i wouldn get attacked by the drunk fans, thank you,

pg
September 09, 2008

Can we get an update on the site regarding this issue? I know that the section was back up on Saturday, but don't know what part(s) of the issue were resolved.

Ginto
September 17, 2008

I was at the 9/6 Red Bull game and while there was participation in Sec 8 there were no drums and no capo stands. So what is the deal here? I'd like to really commend S8 leaders for what they do, what they continue to do and that I'm proud of chanting with them.

Fan
October 08, 2008

so no one could take flags inside the stadium?

biff tachu
November 10, 2008

Blanco is the Hunch Back of MLS


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